Hi, I was asking if the musical ear is a talent (u get it by birth) or is something than can be learned with programs like EarMaster (which I respect very much).Can you become a good guitar player if you don't have this talent by birth, but you still try to improve it by using EarMaster?
Do you know any tests on the internet to measure your musical ear skill and then test it after a couple of months to see if there is any result?
How much time should I spend training my ear with EarMaster per day?
Thanks and I hope I'll get an answer soon.
Musical Ear - Nature or Nurture?
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No one has a musical ear by nature, even those who have perfect pitch (the ability to identify pitches just by hearing them) by nature need training to understand scales, chord progressions, rhythm meters, and so on.
You can take by sure it is possible to develope a musical ear with training, because that's the way everybody gets it.
Whatever you do in music (singing, playing an instrument, composing, ...) is related to your ear, train your ear, and you will be a better musician, no matter what you do, so you will be a better guitar player if you develope your musical ear.
About the time, is like everything else, the more you train, the faster the results come, but if you exceed, you will slow yourself.
You can take by sure it is possible to develope a musical ear with training, because that's the way everybody gets it.
Whatever you do in music (singing, playing an instrument, composing, ...) is related to your ear, train your ear, and you will be a better musician, no matter what you do, so you will be a better guitar player if you develope your musical ear.
About the time, is like everything else, the more you train, the faster the results come, but if you exceed, you will slow yourself.
Nature or Nurture
I think that you have to practice your hearing to maintain it perfect, but I wander what would you say about Mozart or Beethoven...?
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Nature or Nurture
There is one very important thing, let's say you finish all possible exercises and lessons, you still have nothing, (well it's a cool thing to be able to recognize min7 (#5) immediately when you hear it, but that isn't enough), because music is about improvising, inventing new thing, although playing already knows songs is fine, but if you can't make your own song, you better quit being a musician...
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I totally agree with the last part of your last sentence...
Improvising is the very essence of music and too many people take for granted the fact that music is WRITTEN nowadays.
That wasn't always the case.
Musical notation is a late invention regarding the history of music.
Still some cultures don't bother with notation or naming chords, they play music, they got a good/awesome ear to our conceptions,and so are their technical skills without methods... but they PLAY and that is the point.Playing!
EarMaster is there to make your play easier, more fluent, regarding to nowadays standards and conceptions.
I play on instruments which A pitch is not 440Hz, I play indian Veena,and in indian music there are 22 tones, plus subtleties depending on the mode you play in.In some modes you brighten some tones, in other darken those by just slightly modifying the pitch.
Everything is not about equal temperament's 12 lame tones and f****** piano... 8-|
Open your darn mind!(this is not for you Bojan, I read all of your other post which are very wise)
Improvising is the very essence of music and too many people take for granted the fact that music is WRITTEN nowadays.
That wasn't always the case.
Musical notation is a late invention regarding the history of music.
Still some cultures don't bother with notation or naming chords, they play music, they got a good/awesome ear to our conceptions,and so are their technical skills without methods... but they PLAY and that is the point.Playing!
EarMaster is there to make your play easier, more fluent, regarding to nowadays standards and conceptions.
I play on instruments which A pitch is not 440Hz, I play indian Veena,and in indian music there are 22 tones, plus subtleties depending on the mode you play in.In some modes you brighten some tones, in other darken those by just slightly modifying the pitch.
Everything is not about equal temperament's 12 lame tones and f****** piano... 8-|
Open your darn mind!(this is not for you Bojan, I read all of your other post which are very wise)
"Less is more."
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In asian music, their instruments are very different of us (occidental) and of course music is a constant improvement of ourself by practicing everyday to become better and better even if you can't read.
Music is a language that always involve like all languages. Even if you can read well, in music, you can't play well if you can't have feelings in the music that you play. It's like asking a computer to play the notes (Example: midi files). You recongnise the music but you don't feel it.
Music is a language that always involve like all languages. Even if you can read well, in music, you can't play well if you can't have feelings in the music that you play. It's like asking a computer to play the notes (Example: midi files). You recongnise the music but you don't feel it.
Nature or Nurture
I can't help it, I'm a student of languages, and music and languages I simply adore, I have to say few things about language (e.g. music): in the past it is said that we people had one language, but this language fall apart to produce all other existing languages. And it is believed that, although we gained a lot with these new languages, we lost quite some amount of worth by loosing the oldest language. Put music instead of language and you’ll get my point. So I’d like to ask you guys, do we loose by getting rid of an old style in music, and what exactly do we get by creating a new style, say gothic metal?
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improving my ear training
what must I do to improve my ear in music? 
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Re: improving my ear training
Well, there is a thing called "Ear training", and guess what, it trains your ear, unvelibable!dineathajordan wrote:what must I do to improve my ear in music?
Playing music by ear can be learned, although those who were surrounded by musical parents at a young age, are able to learn it quicker.
As I was growning up, I started to play the Piano, and never read music. I started playing by ear because it was easier for me. I was composing music at 8 years old and was able to hear a piece of music, and play it back almost note perfect. I never practiced to do this, my parents weren't musical, i couldn't explain it at the time, but now i can sort of describe it.
basically, i hear a piece of music and memorize it and constantly play it over and over in my head, while at the same time playing it. So, ill be at the piano and hear a bit of music, when it stops, ive already figured out how the beginning will be played, so i play that. Then ill hear the song played backwards (in my head) from the end to where i am currently playing the piece. So ill meet in the middle, then carry on playing whats in my head till the end. (more or less note perfect) I find that jazz is easiest to play back. I find it hard to play back music i hate.
A lot of it is through trial and error. I wont get it perfectly right until 4 or 5 attempts. I figured out this process at a young age.
I practiced developing my ear and got better, so it can be learned.
As I was growning up, I started to play the Piano, and never read music. I started playing by ear because it was easier for me. I was composing music at 8 years old and was able to hear a piece of music, and play it back almost note perfect. I never practiced to do this, my parents weren't musical, i couldn't explain it at the time, but now i can sort of describe it.
basically, i hear a piece of music and memorize it and constantly play it over and over in my head, while at the same time playing it. So, ill be at the piano and hear a bit of music, when it stops, ive already figured out how the beginning will be played, so i play that. Then ill hear the song played backwards (in my head) from the end to where i am currently playing the piece. So ill meet in the middle, then carry on playing whats in my head till the end. (more or less note perfect) I find that jazz is easiest to play back. I find it hard to play back music i hate.
A lot of it is through trial and error. I wont get it perfectly right until 4 or 5 attempts. I figured out this process at a young age.
I practiced developing my ear and got better, so it can be learned.